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TR4 or TR4A?
December 28, 2016
12:32 pm
charley fitch
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That term must be English for the METAL OIL PUMP FILTER. No need to be concerned with it deteriorating as it has been in oil for the 30 years ( if the engine did have oil in it).
The areas of concern are the fuel in the tank and lines. The fuel tends to reduce down to a gummy substance. So work on the fuel lines and system including the float bowls on the carbs. Get them cleaned out. Change the oil. Check the points and flush the radiator . My friend did those few things with a TR3 that had been sitting for twenty years or so and it started right off. I am sure that in different parts of the country the deterioration of the parts is greater than here in California, so he may have been lucky.
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December 23, 2016
9:26 am
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Hello. I contacted a friend of my father's who was very familiar with the car and it is an issue of a commission plate change but it is definitely a TR4A. I have searched the first steps to do in the process of getting ready to try to start an engine after 30 years and have kind of put together a syntheses of what to do. My question to the forum is what would you suggest specific to the Triumph. For example, I have obtained a Workshop Manual and have been studying it and see an oil pumper filter gauze in the sump. That seems like something that would deteriorate and contaminate new oil after changing what is in it. But then I don’t really know exactly what that means. Any input from the knowledgeable members here would be appreciated. Thanks. Raleigh Sanford.

December 19, 2016
8:22 pm
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Thanks for the very helpful replies so far. I will do some inspecting tomorrow using your info and check out the links provided if I need more info.

December 19, 2016
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RSanford,
I remember seeing a car almost like you describe some years ago at a VTR event in Colorado ,if I remember correctly. I was mystified by the mismatched commission number with what he body showed me. I asked the owner what was up. His reply as that he liked the TR4A body and so went with that when he repaired the car. He said he had a bunch of parts and used what he liked.
So i am guessing that what he had to do was put the original TR4 commission plate on the TR4A body to match his title. Once you get past the body being a TR4A you will still need to look at the frame and chassis. The TR4 and TR4A have different front suspensions. The primary difference is the TRUNNION located at the base each front wheel. You can use the catalogs to see what the two trunnions look like to determine which you have. Also the lower suspension on the TR4A is attached to the side of the frame while the TR4 lower suspension is attached on the top of the frame.

Charley

December 18, 2016
8:59 pm
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Randall TR3 TS13571L - daily driver Stag LE1473L - awaiting engine rebuild Stag (various) - awaiting gearbox rebuild
December 18, 2016
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Randall TR3 TS13571L - daily driver Stag LE1473L - awaiting engine rebuild Stag (various) - awaiting gearbox rebuild
December 18, 2016
8:52 pm
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But this forum also gets almost no traffic at all these days, so it's quite possible that your former mentor no longer reads here. Here are links to some more popular sites with many more active members
http://www.triumphexp.com/phor…..list.php?7
http://www.britishcarforum.com…..18-Triumph
Again, you'll need to create an account with them to post, but it's free as long as you ignore the nag screens and various limitations placed on "non-supporters".

Randall TR3 TS13571L - daily driver Stag LE1473L - awaiting engine rebuild Stag (various) - awaiting gearbox rebuild
December 18, 2016
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It does rather sound as if you have a TR4A that has had the commission number plate changed to that of a TR4. One more thing that I would check is which chassis frame it has, the frames were very different between TR4 and TR4A. But the center mounted hand brake makes it very likely that will be 4A as well.

This forum does not allow direct posting of photos as far as I know, but what you can do is upload them to one of the many photo sharing sites, and post a link here. I use PhotoBucket http://s258.photobucket.com/ but there are lots of other possibilities. PB will require you to set up an account with them, but it is free as long as you ignore all the nag screens to give them money.

Randall TR3 TS13571L - daily driver Stag LE1473L - awaiting engine rebuild Stag (various) - awaiting gearbox rebuild
December 18, 2016
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Hello all. About five years ago I had emailed with a very helpful and knowledgeable member trying to determine if my car was a TR4 or TR4A. He had ended up asking for another couple of photos which I never responded to with other matters taking priority (I’m sure you know how this is). Anyway. I have now moved the car from my detached garage to my attached garage where it is physically and psychologically more available and I am committed to getting going with it. Here are my emails and his replies. I thought I would put this out to the forum to get opinions.

Question: My father died in 1988 and had what I think is a TR4A that I have garaged since then. It needs a substantial amount of work of course but there is very little rust and the body is in great shape. The title shows a MFR’s ID No. CT 229 63L. It shows a year – 63, Model No. CT2, Body Type – CV. However, it has the TR4A insignia plate on it, the side turn signals, front grill with no vertical bars and the dual exhaust. The ttitle shows my dad got the vehicle in 1972, not really too long after it was made. My thought would be that the title got corrupted somewhere along the way, except the engine compartment plate you mentioned has the same ID No. as the title. It seems from your site that the car is a 1965 or later TR4A but the plate and title say otherwise. Thanks.

Reply: The Commission number CT 22963 L was built in mid '63. It could be that someone replaced the front fenders, badge and grill with those from a TR4 A. Neither the TR 4 nor the 4A had dual exhaust pipes, so that was is probably a replacement also.

Question: My 17 year old nephew is anxious to get started on our project to get the car running and I need to find out what I have to know what parts to order. I guess if the car is a 63 TR4 with some TR4A parts added, I would be ordering parts for a 63 TR4. Take a look at these and let me know what you think. Thanks. Raleigh Sanford.

Reply: Sorry for the delay. Here is what I see.

1. Engine is probably a TR 4A. Reason is the valve cover cap and the SU carbs and air filters.

2. Seats are TR 4A. as is the emergency brake handle and the shift lever placement. Dash is probably TR 4A.. The wooden dash was standard for a TR 4 which was built after spring of 1964 and continued in TR 4 A's. The top frame is also TR 4A. The TR 4 top came completely off and was stored in the trunk. Top of the doors have trim so are TR 4A. BTW the car had overdrive. The lever for that is on the steering column with the turn signal lever.

3. Rear bumper could be from either a 4 or 4 A as I think they were the same for both cars. The TR 4A badge is what it says. TR 4 badges didn't have the :A".

4. Front bumper is TR 4A , as are the side marker lights on the fenders, the badge, and the grill.

So I think you have a TR 4A. Now -- the commission number is definitely a late TR4. BUT someone could have switched that out. Send me a photo showing the commission number and its location.

Hope this helps.

Sorry to be such an idiot but I do not seem to be able to see how to post photos. If someone can advise I will post the photos. Many thanks. rsanford

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